[See SingaporeSchedule for link to slides]

Emily (questions from slides):

Emily: Dan did you want to start with the do-be case, and tell me why it's not a violation?

Dan: Maybe the less interesting of the three. And the second slide reminded me that I do walk down a valence list the way you do for Japanese and Wambaya. If we can agree on what to do there, do-be will fall into line.

Dan: On the Japanese case. Is it legitimate to talk about the elements on the valence list of a non-head daughter? That seems to open up a Pandora's box that we would have a hard time constraining. A logical next step: If there's a systematic collection of examples where one needs to go to the COMPS list of something, we may want to enrich the information available in the HOOK. In addition to keeping track of the SUBJ property, which we put on the XARG, maybe we should also have an IARG. It gets messier if there's an indefinite number of internal arguments. Would be more challenging for HeGram/AraGram where there's a large number of these argument positions. It looks like in these two examples, it's a complement of something. One step down. So far we've maintained an asymmetry between the external argument and everything else.

Francis: It's controversially argued that you can also get the second complement (with variably accepted examples).

Dan: Sounds slippery.

Ann: "The algebra" is a whole question that's in the semantic community about what the constraints are on composition. If we do need an indefinitely large number of these things, then that's an interesting question for formal semantics. It's the sort of thing where one would need to do careful argumentation and research. Adding one thing to XARG, but as soon as it's indefinite, then the idea of composition really breaks, and the idea of compositionality, so that's important. It's not "the algebra" as such---the algebra is just a way of codifying what people have been assuming.

Emily: Wambaya needs two complement positions too, I think.

Dan: Are you sure that's the only analysis?

Emily: ...

Dan: The algebra serves to constrain the search space of analyses and a challenge to come up with arguments carefully if you find you can't work within it.

Emily: Could do it with shuffle operators.

Dan: Right: we can maintain compositionality in this way, but at the cost of doing something fancier in the syntax.

Ann: Really in the syntax, or in the parser?

Dan: ... Implement shuffle operator ...

Ann: Don't need to implement the shuffle operator. There's constraints on how we write the rules that come from the parser and could be changed.

Emily: To summarize, I think we've come to the following answers to the questions on the slides.

Dan: Even just one more is slippery. As usual I have to agree with Ann that if we can't do this consistent with the algebra, then it's a problem for compositionality.

Emily/Francis: But are you saying that Jacy isn't compositional?

Dan/Ann: Not in an interesting way.

Emily: But how is interesting the same thing as compositional?

Ann: There's nothing that constraints the amount of information you can carry up in the feature structure case. That's why there's been some argument that compositionality if vacuous --- if there's no constraints on what you can carry around. You have to have some constraints. The algebra is one hypothesis about those constraints.

Dan: In Wambaya, you're not really doing that compositionally, since you're picking up the adjective and keeping it around.

Emily: Local v. global compositionality (see Szabo). I see that I'm not doing that locally... Well, but sometimes I don't ever find the noun, and so the semantics you get for verb+adjective is "complete" in a sense.

Emily/Woodley: Well yeah, that's still locally compositional.

Guy: If you say it's a function of the two parts, but don't constrain what the function will be, then you haven't said anything interesting. Ann was saying that by constraining the types of functions, you can make predictions.

Ann: Just to throw something else into the mix, when you're incrementally (L-to-R) processing a language like English and making that compositional, it's like Wambaya. It may well be the case that the algebra needs to expanded to accommodate this, e.g. with notion of deferred application of a function.

Addendum from Tuesday

[Not scribed real time]

Francis: What is this shared notion of compositionality that people except me see to have?

Dan/Emily: Not so shared --- bring together four formal semanticists and you'll get four different definitions.

Guy: If the definition of the functions are unconstrained, then the claim that language is compositional is not compositional.

Nurit: Raises example of phrasal verbs: If you know the meaning of look and the meaning of after, you still don't know the meaning of look after.

Guy: You could write a very specialized function that looks for exactly those two and replaces them with look_v_after.

Emily: That raises a second constraint that the algebra codifies: monotonicity. So even if we have to go down the slippery slope of allowing more things in HOOK, we still have the constraint of monotonicity.

SingaporeHookOrthodoxy (last edited 2016-01-22 20:28:28 by EmilyBender)

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