The Long-Term Health of the DELPH-IN Ecosystem

Overview

Importance

Risks

Successes

Both successful hand-offs and general DELPH-IN accomplishments

Strategies

Notes

Emily's introduction. DELPH-IN is only as strong as our participation in it. DELPH-IN has great value, not only just for adding credibility to grant writings

Yi: concern about when individuals with too much tool ownership departing

All: It's difficult for one researcher to take over another's grammar

Antske: It can be a benefit to have more than one person working on a grammar from the start

Yi: JACY is/was a good example of continued maintenance

Francis: Mild dispute that JACY was an unqualified success, since certain parties may have only grasped it in part

Tim: Picking up others' work can be a funding challlenge

Stephan: ...Or it can be the opposite, if you are showing international collaboration

Antske: It may help if people work part-time on the grammar: it would be easier to find people to work on the grammar funded, and publish and may also facilitate collaboration between grammar-engineers (not having them work on the grammar at the same time, this is of course possible with SVN, but this is sub-optimal)

Yi: This maintenance work should be undertaken, even at the expense of personal research goals

Prescott: would an increased sense of community be enabled by somehow increasing traffic on mailing lists?

Francis: one should favor the wider broadcast of an inquiry, rather than the individually targeted missive

Stephan: "more visibile communication would be nice" increased volume shouldn't be a problem. Nowadays, everyone should be on developers, pretty much.

Francis/Stephan: Developers list is more open than 'participants'

Rebecca: Should the membership of the standing committee be more visible?

Francis: It is (reads list from website)

Laurie: Re: single points of failure, people leaving: losing a standing committee member can be more debilitating than just a grad student who created a tool.

Francis: The rules of the standing committee may not include procedures for succession.

Stephan: PET is a good example of ongoing maintenance. We hope for optimal ongoing maintenance, but sometimes it doesn't happen. It is true that LKB and [incr tsdb()] have sub-optimal support at this time.

Dan: "We will find interesting things to collaborate on, depending that the resources that are around."

Emily: We must be more vigilant about correctly and fully citing work within our own community. Gets "grumpy" when work is mentioned as taken for granted.

All: there doesn't appear to be a citation listed on the wiki for [incr tsdb()]

Francis: Individual projects should be more tightly associated with the DELPH-IN brand.

Emily: The root url should be more widely included in our mentions of DELPH-IN

Tim/Stephan: Recognizability of "Pargram"

Francis: should we develop a canonical DELPH-IN acknowledgement blurb?

Emily/Stephan: This is a bit off track; returning to successes, such as having multiple parsers within the same formalism.

Stephan: "um, the ERG is a bit of a success... It's our 'Charniak parser'"

Dan: I'm not sure I find that a compliment

Francis: LOGON infrastructure as a success?

Dan: Redwoods tools and so forth. Malouf's early treebanking...

Emily: Speaking of Rob, he is an example of recovering from a key researcher moving on...

Rebecca: I'd feel more comfortable if there was more joint ownership of key systems. We'd be less vulnerable to single-point-of-failure succession issues

Francis: If one needs a fix in [incr tsdb()] one must do it oneself. Less so with PET.

Laurie: The fact that it's open source doesn't help some researchers with immediate needs.

Stephan: Solutions to that: 1. "basic benevolence; there are guarantees for basic support" 2. "Look for local ecosystem whiz-kids for help"

Emily: Summarizing (see main slides). Cross-site visits should be encouraged.

Stephan: Tradition for sub-contracting between partners. Budget for this. If you anticipate tools modification, it might be possible to fund the changes you need.

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